Posts by Sea Breeze

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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

by slimboyfat in

rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

Sea Breeze

Moreover, the idea that Nicene Trinitarianism “replaced” a supposedly earlier angelic Christology is a distortion. The Council of Nicaea did not invent the divinity of Christ—it formally clarified what the Church had always confessed in the face of the Arian heresy, which was a novel deviation, not a recovery of earlier tradition. The creed articulated the eternal generation of the Son, “begotten, not made,” and insisted on his consubstantiality with the Father, because this is what had been taught by the apostles and preserved in liturgical and theological traditions.

aqwsed12345,

As usual, you have provided a mountain of evidence confirming the divinity of Christ from the earliest apostolic times.

The storyline that heretics are really restoring lost and forgotten truths is a total fabrication.

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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

by slimboyfat in

rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

Sea Breeze

@Halcon,

One of the times Jesus predicted his self-resurrection is in John 10: 17-18 :

I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again.

If Jesus was not God, how did he resurrect himself from the dead? Doesn't make any sense.

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What "message" does the J.W Org. have to offer that will attract new members ?

by Phizzy in

the message they have been pushing for 150 years or so is "the end is near !"..

in the educated, civilised world, people think " yea ?

maybe because of economic meltdown exacerbated by climate change, but not from some intervention by a non-existent god".. "would you like a free bible study ?

Sea Breeze

Watchtower is beginnning to realize that much of their theology is not only not understood, but unnecessary to keeping membership.

Watchtower tickles peoples' ears with their false hopes:

1. There is no judgment after you die

2. You won't be conscious after you die.

3. You atone for your own sins just by dying

These false hopes are sufficient in themselves to keep people from entering into an agreement for salvation directly with Jesus.

According to WT, the only way you can lose is if Armageddon comes while you are not an active JW. There is still plenty of motive for unsaved hard-working people to join the JW's.

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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

by slimboyfat in

rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

Sea Breeze

@SBF

If Jesus is not God, then he lied about raising himself from the dead.

If he raised himself from the dead like he predicted, then he is God.

Either way, your argument loses. You can't have it both ways.

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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

by slimboyfat in

rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

Yes, we all were taught that scripture by biblical idgits. It is located right next to another scripture a few verses over that says "money is the answer for everything". - Eccl. 10: 19

Why don't you believe money is the answer for everything? I'll tell you why. It's because the book of Eccl presents reasoning from a carnal point of view - "under the sun". The book reminds the reader (nearly 2 dozen times) that this is the point of view of this literary work and is a point of view ultimately rejected by the writer.

Remember, man is a tripartite being according to scripture. When a person dies, his thoughts perish in his body..... under the sun. The physical person (the body) is powered by a supercomputer made of 3 lbs. of meat. That meat will definitely start decaying "under the sun". But, there is another "you". Two more.

Jesus spoke dozens of times about personhood and consciousness after death. Why would you accept a philosophical work confined to the failed ideology of materialism and reject the plain language of a man who said he would resurrect himself from the dead, and then proved he was God by doing it?

Do you also believe Jesus was a liar when he predicted his own self resurrrection?

In John 10:17–18 Jesus says something that no mere mortal could ever say: “I lay down my life—only to take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again.” No one else in the history of the world has ever had the authority both to lay down his life and to raise it up again.

Furthermore, Jesus said, “I am the resurrection and the life” (John 11:25). He claimed to be the resurrection Himself; He has absolute authority over life and death (Revelation 1:18). Jesus is God. He could say He would raise up His body on the third day because He, being God, has power over death.

Instead of putting faith in Jesus, WT recruits put faith in the WT organization, themselves, and their long service in distributing WT literature..... anything but Jesus. This allows them to "work with" their sin nature, rather than putting it to death as instructed.

People would definitely rather believe a lie, rather than believe a man who could do miracles and raise himself from the dead.

Nothing has changed.

But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us. - Luke 19: 14

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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

by slimboyfat in

rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

Sea Breeze

To ask my previous question another way then...once separated, God the Father remained alive and resurrected the dead God the Son?

The meaning of death is "separation", not non-existence. This is how Jesus could resurrect himself from the dead, while he was still dead.

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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

by slimboyfat in

rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

Sea Breeze

@Halcon

If simultaneously, then it was two different persons (both God)...one dead and one alive, the one alive resurrecting the dead one?

In the bible, death means "separation". When your soul, spirit and body are joined - you are alive. When they become separated, you are dead.

Gen. 35 makes this clear early on in the bible:

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And it came to pass, when she was in hard labour, that the midwife said unto her, Fear not; thou shalt have this son also.18 And it came to pass, as her soul was in departing, (for she died) that she called his name Benoni: but his father called him Benjamin.19 And Rachel died, and was buried in the way to Ephrath, which is Bethlehem.

Rachael died as her soul was departing. She was no longer whole. 1 Thess. 5: 23 describes a "whole" person as: the body, soul and spirit. Then, notice how Jesus describes death as the opposite : lack of wholeness. :

Luke 8 - While he yet spake, there cometh one from the ruler of the synagogue's house, saying to him, Thy daughter is dead; trouble not the Master.

50 But when Jesus heard it, he answered him, saying, Fear not: believe only, and she shall be made whole.

When Jesus three componenets of personhood were joined, he was a live. When his spirit (God) separated from his body, he was dead. (Same as anybody else)

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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

by slimboyfat in

rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

Sea Breeze

How else could it be?

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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

by slimboyfat in

rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

Sea Breeze

Then, God can die without ceasing to exist?

Of course.

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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity

by slimboyfat in

rowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?

as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.

that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.

Sea Breeze

During the last three hours of Jesus’ death on the cross, an unusual darkness struck the land. This darkness was most definitely a result of God's direct intervention, because it can't have been a solar eclipse for the following two reasons:

The maximum duration for a total solar eclipse is seven minutes, not three hours, and at the latitude of Jerusalem the maximum duration is even less.
A solar eclipse can occur only at new moon, but we know that Jesus was crucified at the time of Passover (Matthew 26:2; Mark 14:1–2,12; Luke 22:1–2, 7; John 13:1), and that the Passover is at the time of full moon (Exodus 12:1–11; Leviticus 23:5).

The New Testament records the three-hour darkness during Christ’s crucifixion (Matthew 27:45, Mark 15:33, Luke 23:44–45).

But it is also confirmed by four other historians outside the Bible: Phlegon, Thallus, Africanus and Tertullian. These historians attempt to interpret the darkness as a direct effect of a solar eclipse which we know is scientifically not possible - but they wouldn't have known that in their time.